In this special live recording episode of the Psych Health and Safety podcast from PHSCON 2024, Australian co-hosts Jason van Schie and Joelle Mitchell chat with Dr Michael Leiter about his book ‘The Burnout Challenge’. In the fun and revealing conversation, they discuss the importance of the design of work as the fundamental way to prevent burnout. Michael also provides suggestions for how to address burnout symptoms personally, and for leaders, he gives examples of what can be done at a team level to support the mental wellbeing of staff.